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Alternative Health Live Chat with Kristina
September 10, 2008

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20:03:12	kristina	Please let me know if anyone has any questions or concerns or comments about their health, about colon cleansing, about using enemas, about our new stool analysis.
20:03:29	kristina	One of the main topics tonight is probiotics.
20:03:37	kristina	Do any of you take probiotics daily?
20:03:42	kristina	Why?
20:04:00	ltrail	Hello,
20:04:06	kristina	Hello.
20:04:19	ltrail	Hi Kristina
20:04:23	Dave	Since travel and its complications to our colons is typical, I have suggested we share on this topic with advice from Kristina.
20:04:26	Lisa P.	I want to tell you all something about an enema I took last night. It might take me some time to type it, but I'll start doing it.
20:04:40	kristina	Or why not?
20:04:57	Mike K	What kind of tests do you perform on the stool samples?
20:05:04	ealincoln	I would love to hear about travel & colon health. I can't seem to go when I'm away from home
20:05:51	ltrail	I agree. Traveling makes it difficult
20:06:13	kristina	Take a look at OHN's testing services to see what the stool analysis tests for.
20:06:19	Lisa P.	One of the reasons I want to tell you about this is because of how great the OHN goatmilk soap is.
20:06:59	ealincoln	I tried the goatmilk soap but it caused a lot of cramping. Is that normal?
20:07:10	kristina	Generally, it tests for candida, parasites, c. difficile, dairy, gluten, egg and soy intolerances.
20:07:31	ltrail	Kristina. I am very concerned about loss of potassium and have been found on several occassions with low (2.9) values. Any way to test this personally?
20:08:00	kristina	No, it isn't common for the goat milk soap to cause cramping. Do you have cramping when you use other enema solutions?
20:08:14	Lisa P.	Last night I was in so much pain. My stomach felt very tight, and I knew I couldn't go on like that. It was after midnight, so no matter how late it was, I knew I needed to do an enema.
20:08:20	Dave	Very relevant topic for many, even if you only go one time zone and a few hundred miles.
20:08:43	ealincoln	No. But generally I only use plain water or add peppermint oil. Then I do a coffee enema and hold for 15 minutes.
20:08:47	kristina	Yes, we use the Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis to test for potassium
20:10:22	Lisa P.	I was too tired to do an enema series, so I needed something strong, so that one enema would work. I used the goatmilk soap. Yes, I did cramp, but this time I couldn't blame it on the soap. It was my condition. Just one, two quart enema did a world of good
20:11:41	kristina	The hair analysis also tests for magnesium, zinc, sodium, calcium, copper and more. I have found it incredibly useful in my practice. In October, I am attending an advanced HTMA seminar through Dr. Janet Lang.
20:11:54	ealincoln	Lisa, what benefit did the goatmilk soap do over plain water, do you think?
20:13:11	ltrail	I'm a person on the fringe of diabetes and monitor blood sugar values with a monitor. I wish there was such an instrument to test potassium, magnesium, zinc, etc. lol
20:13:15	Lisa P.	I got very much cleaned out from the goatmilk soap. Nothing else could have done such a good job. After the enema, I was able to sleep well. I guess Kristina can explain it better than I why this soap works so well. All I know it works!
20:13:20	kristina	When testing for minerals, it is also important to look at the ratios of the minerals to each other. A skilled practitioner knows how to examine the ideal mineral ratios for the healthy individual and how they vary.
20:14:06	kristina	Yes, that would be fabulous, to have such an instrument available to the individual.
20:14:32	Lisa P.	I bought the soap back when Kristina still had her goats. Thanks Kristina and her goats!!
20:14:34	kristina	Luckily the lab tests are very affordable. The total cost is $59, which includes the consultation time.
20:14:47	Tim1	What happens if you retain a coffee ennama for more than 15 minutes?
20:14:52	kristina	Okay, travel and bowel function.
20:14:57	Dave	There might be someting good about the traditional 2-quart soapsuds enema, the medical standard in childhood despite popular opinion now.
20:15:33	ealincoln	I don't think anything happens per se after 15 minutes but 15 mins is a minimum
20:15:39	kristina	First of all, if you know that your bowels don't work well while traveling, prepare.
20:16:13	kristina	Starting one to two weeks before you take the trip, start taking a probiotic.
20:16:28	ealincoln	I use it to clean my liver. I'm receiving chemo therapy and use the coffee to help with nausea and other side effects
20:16:40	kristina	While on the trip, take 1/2 again to double the dosage of probiotic.
20:16:48	kristina	Continue this for at least a week after you arrive home.
20:17:37	ealincoln	Do you recommend a particular probiotic?
20:18:12	kristina	Many probiotics require refrigeration. For this reason, and many others, I have choosen to feature Ortho Biotic.
20:18:42	Lisa P.	Enemas alone work well for me before a big trip. A month before my trip, I try to do an enema once a week. Two weeks before I leave, I do more. I use mostly peppermint and sea salt.
20:18:50	ltrail	Because I usually do a series of enemas about once weekly, I make sure that I have plenty of potassium-supplying foods (bananas, potatoes, orange juice) daily. I don't know how John Kellogg survived having a daily enema. lol
20:19:16	ealincoln	Do enemas deplete potassium???
20:19:47	kristina	It has been traditionally thought that if a probiotic product was not refrigerated, it was not a good product. That may be the case for products in the past, however, Ortho Biotic uses a new sealant technology that allows the probiotics to remain viable without refrigeration so that the potency is guaranteed at the time of expiration by manufacturing the product at an overage. Ortho Biotic guarantees 20 billion cfu’s at the time of expiration (12 months) and Ortho Molecular manufactures the product at 36-37 billion cfu’s to compensate for the slow loss in viability. This allows more flexibility and confidence when taking the product. After all, when do people benefit most from taking probiotics? When they are traveling abroad and many times don’t have the option of refrigerating their product.
20:19:58	ltrail	yes they can because they imitate a runny bowl
20:20:17	kristina	Enemas can deplete potassium.
20:20:43	kristina	They don't necessarily deplete potassium.
20:20:46	Dave	Something with bifudis goes to the colon (lower intestine) where the probiotic is needed most for elimination, I have found.
20:21:18	kristina	For travel, I do recommend that people bring an enema bag.
20:21:20	Tim1	How much liquid can you use for the coffee retention enema?
20:21:53	Lisa P.	I always take a bulb when I travel.
20:22:02	ealincoln	about 1 quart which is 1 cup of enema coffee and 3-4 cups water
20:22:18	ltrail	Once I confessed to a novice doctor that I took enemas and felt better afterward. The doctor was horrified. Then said that I should avoid having an enema less than 72 hours frequency. So I do that. I since changed doctors also.
20:22:28	kristina	Retaining a coffee enema for longer than fifteen minutes is not harmful to most people.
20:23:13	ealincoln	I have been doing daily enema series w/ coffee at the end every day since starting chemotherapy. It's the only way I poop!!! The drugs they give me are very constipating.
20:23:19	kristina	There are no studies on coffee enemas and retention times so it is hard to know what "happens". I think the body will release the coffee solution when it is done with it.
20:23:46	Lisa P.	Kristina, does the coffee just stop working after 15 minutes? That's what I always thought.
20:23:50	kristina	For the coffee enema, I recommend no more than 1 quart of water and coffee mixture.
20:23:53	ealincoln	and I don't want to take MORE drugs in order to have a bowel movement
20:24:04	ltrail	So now, when my doctor has me do blood work every three months for diabetes, my potassium level is also there too. Haven't had the low level in a long time because I have stretched out my time for enemas to about a week.
20:24:39	Dave	An enema bag while traveling is fine with a partner, maybe a little more complicated if solo and facility not bag-friendly. Certainly a good enema series on return is recommended anyway.
20:24:41	ltrail	and I eat potassium-rich foods
20:25:09	kristina	The other main reason that I have choosen to promote Ortho Biotic, of all the probiotics on the market, is because it contains Saccharomyces boulardii.
20:25:25	kristina	S. boulardii is a brewer's yeast. It has been approved in Germany for the treatment of chronic acne, boils, acute and traveler’s diarrhea
20:25:35	ltrail	Recently my wife and I took a trip to Hungary, Austria, and Switzerland. The "Cadillac" (silicone 4-qt) went with me.
20:26:06	kristina	S. boulardii stimulates PPAR-gamma expression and reduces response of human colon cells to pro-inflammatory cytokines. Reference: Lee SK, et al. Saccharomyces boulardii activates expression of peroxisome proliferators-activated receptor-gamma in HT-29 cells. Korean J Gastroenterol. 2005; 45(5):328-334.
20:26:18	ltrail	I'm sure that baggage handlers had a great time with my bag
20:26:38	kristina	What is a probiotic? Over 300 different strains of bacteria compete for the environment within the lower gastrointestinal tract. Strains that promote health (probiotic), as well as those that cause disturbances compete for space and nutrients. When there is a healthy balance (eubiosis), few symptoms exist. On the other hand, dysbiosis occurs when fewer than normal probiotic organisms and an over abundance of potentially harmful bacteria, yeast or parasitic organisms prevail. Dysbiosis often results in a number of gastrointestinal symptoms.
20:26:38	ealincoln	You should have seen the baggage handlers try to figure out a breast pump!!
20:27:03	Lisa P.	I go the Rick Steves way, and travel very light. That's why I only take the bulb. It works well for me during a trip. I get so cleaned out before I leave!
20:27:09	kristina	DYSBIOSIS: Events that often trigger dysbiosis include: · Antiobiotic use · Foods contaminated with parasites and bacteria · Abdominal irradiation · Use of NSAIDs and other drugs · Foods that lead to gut inflammation
20:27:22	ealincoln	How long should one take a probiotic after having been on an antibiotic?
20:27:26	Dave	Cleaning up: Enema bag with partner while traveling is fine, etc.
20:27:31	kristina	BENEFITS:
20:27:39	kristina	Alters pH environment.
20:27:50	kristina	Active secretion of anti-microbial and anti-yeast components that inhibit non-beneficial organisms.
20:27:59	kristina	increased mucosal immunity
20:28:06	kristina	Increased immune cell phagocytosis
20:28:07	Dave	Multi-bulbs Lisa?
20:28:13	kristina	Increased NK cell activity after ingesting L. rhamnosus
20:28:41	ealincoln	I've been on antibiotics 4 times in 5 months because of immuno compromise from the chemo. How much probiotic should I take and for how long?
20:28:44	kristina	Protection from carcinogens References: 8. Hayatsu H, Hayatsu T. Suppressing effect of Lactobacillus casei administration on the urinary mutagenicity arising from ingestion of fried ground beef in the human. Cancer Lett 1993; 73(2-3):173-9 9. Orrhage K, Sillerstrom E, Gustafsson JA, et al. Binding of mutagenic heterocyclic amines by intestinal and lactic acid bacteria. Mutat Res 1994; 311(2):239-48 10. Reddy BS, Rivenson A. Inhibitory efect of Bifidobacterium longum on colon, mammary, and liver carcinogenesis induced by 2-amino-3-methylimidazo[4,5- f]quinoline, a food mutagen. Cancer Res 1993; 53(17):3914-8
20:29:13	kristina	Ealincoln
20:29:21	Lisa P.	Yes Dave, I sometimes do three or four bulbs of peppermint & sea salt.
20:29:21	ealincoln	yes?
20:29:47	kristina	It depends on why the person took the antibiotic, what the overall health situation of the person is, the economics of the person and more.
20:30:00	ealincoln	OK
20:30:09	kristina	At this point in my studies, I would say for at least a 3 month period.
20:30:35	ealincoln	OK
20:30:55	kristina	However, one a day for the rest of your life might be a better choice. If you re-read the benefits of probiotics, you can see why.
20:31:07	ealincoln	No argument from me
20:32:36	Dave	That's equal to a quart if you use 8-oz bulb, so good lower cleanout I assume.
20:32:52	ealincoln	Do you have any suggestion for reducing the cramping when using the goatmilk soap?
20:33:08	kristina	Look for these probiotic strains, Lactobacillus acidophilus: · Protects human epithelial cells from invasion of E. coli. · Decreases bacterial enzymes implicated in colon carcinogenesis. · L. acidophilus, fed by means of a fermented milk product, was shown to increase phagocytic and lymphocytic activity in mice. Lactobacillus paracasei: · L. acidophilus in combination with L. paracasei reduce diarrheal duration and vomiting in children (6-24 months) suffering from persistent diarrhea .
20:33:10	Tim1	What is the optimum time to retain 4 quarts of epsom salts and water?
20:33:30	kristina	Bifidobacterium bifidum: · B. bifidum has a high tolerance against stomach acids. · B. bifidum can effectively inhibit E. coli and Staphylococcus aureus. Bifidobacterium lactis: · In an in vitro study, Bifidobacterium strains were able to inhibit gastrointestinal pathogen adhesion on and/or invasion in human intestinal cells. · Studies show that B. lactis may help prevent allergies in infants.
20:34:02	ltrail	ealincoln: I think each person's situation is so very different. Your medicines cause you to have much constipation so I understand your need of daily enemas. I'm sure that your doctor evaluates your potassium level along with all the other values.
20:34:32	kristina	Lactobacillus plantarum: · L. plantarum has a protective effect by down regulating IL-8 secretion (a pro-inflammatory cytokine). · A double-blind placebo controlled study containing 60 people with IBS, showed L. plantarum reduced flatulence and maintained a better overall GI function than in the placebo group. Reference: Danisco. Lactobacillus plantarum Lp-115 probiotic identity card.
20:34:36	ealincoln	Yes. So far potassium hasn't been a problem.
20:35:09	kristina	Have you tried the chamomile and clary sage goat's milk soap?
20:35:10	ltrail	I've taken enemas on my own since I was 8 years and now 64. Long, long story
20:35:47	michael b	after hernia surgery, and general anesthesia, i used chamomile and sage soap when i got home in an enema, and everything seems to staighten out, but i took only 5 of the 40 pain pills. i take primal defense probiotic twice a day, that i get from you
20:35:50	ealincoln	I'm not sure which "flavor" of the goatsmilk soap I bought. : )
20:36:01	kristina	I don't recommend using epsom salts with an enema but rather a full spectrum of minerals with a sea salt like Celtic Sea salt.
20:36:36	ealincoln	ltrail, you must be an expert enema-ist
20:36:53	Lisa P.	Celtic Sea Salt is what I use. It's expensive, but worth it.
20:36:55	ltrail	Yes, I suppose that I could write a book
20:37:03	ealincoln	I'd read it!
20:37:39	ealincoln	Does the sea salt restore something in the colon or does it stimulate the colon to cleanse or both???
20:37:44	kristina	Both
20:37:51	Tim1	When you dissolve the sea salt in the water what is the stuff that looks like sand that is in the bottom of the glass bowl?
20:38:07	ealincoln	What is the salt to water ratio?
20:38:07	kristina	can you all comment on how long you hold your enema solution?
20:38:25	Vin	Hold it for about 10 minutes
20:38:35	kristina	I usually recommend that the enema solution is taken in to the body slowly so that one can take 2-4 quarts of water.
20:38:42	Lisa P.	I try 10 minutes.
20:38:47	ltrail	In a nut shell, I have other needs that are not met. I had a mother with MS, a nurse, but she felt her disease might be contagious and did not provide close personal bonding and attention. Later, because of MS, she couldn't. So I yearn for nurturing.
20:39:15	ltrail	A nurse's administration of an enema is such a fulfillment
20:39:17	kristina	Once the solution is in the body, I recommend that you sit on the toilet and release. This process usually takes 5-15 minutes.
20:39:47	ealincoln	No matter how slowly I do my enema, I can't get more than 2 quarts of water in.
20:40:12	Vin	Kristina, what is your recommendation on holding a solution? Does it vary on the solution?
20:41:07	Lisa P.	I guess it depends if it's an implant or a cleansing enema.
20:41:26	Vin	Cleansing
20:41:34	kristina	Yes, it does vary.
20:41:46	kristina	Have you tried the sea salt, ealincoln?
20:41:59	Dave	Many were given first enemas in our "vintage," but did not re-discover until needs years later reintroduced them, ltrail. All very valid medical reasons.
20:42:10	Vin	elaborate if you would please.
20:42:29	ealincoln	No, not yet.
20:42:44	kristina	Have you viewed the downloadable movies, Large Volume and Small Volume Enemas?
20:42:55	ealincoln	Yes, I downloaded them both.
20:43:30	kristina	The sea salt almost always assists a person to take more enema solution more easily.
20:43:39	ealincoln	It looks like I'm doing everything correctly.
20:43:52	Lisa P.	If it's a cleansing enema with peppermint and seasalt, I can hold it longer. About 10 to 15 minutes. If soap, no more than 10 minutes.
20:43:52	ealincoln	OK. I'll try. What is the water/salt ratio?
20:44:01	kristina	Do you take no more than 1/2 cup of enema solution into your body?
20:44:24	Tim1	How much sea salt per quart of water?
20:44:28	kristina	The ratio can vary. Start with 1 teaspoon of salt for each quart of water. You may need more and you may need less.
20:44:36	ealincoln	OK
20:44:57	michael b	trail, i have a sister who has had MS FOR 19 YEARS, it is not contagious. the most common seems to be stress.
20:45:23	Vin	Thanks Lisa P. I would imagine the quantity of water in the colon will make a difference on the retention.
20:46:16	Lisa P.	I'm more comfortable with holding two quarts. No more than that if I'm holding it.
20:46:21	kristina	have i missed any questions or threads?
20:46:25	Vin	Typical quantity for me is 2 to 3 quarts
20:47:08	Tim1	What is the sand looking stuff after you dissolve the sea salt?
20:47:40	Lisa P.	Yes Kristina. Can you tell us why the goatmilk soap helped me so much? Why does it work better than anything else?
20:48:26	kristina	Truthfully, I have never noted that there is a white sand-like substance in the enema bag after using the sea salt. Anyone else noted this?
20:48:31	Dave	Lisa, assume cup or so and little rest is best recipe or you for good hold of a full bag?
20:49:20	Lisa P.	I thought this would make a good plug for selling your soap. It really does work well when you are feeling sick like I was.
20:49:20	kristina	Nothing is taken out of the Celtic Sea Salt. however Celtic Sea Salt is carefully sifted through to remove natural debris such as small stones or sand. More than 80 vital minerals are left intact!
20:49:55	Vin	Kristina-why does your latest soap from goats milk seem to go in well but cramping occurs more often than other soaps?
20:51:01	Lisa P.	It was worth going through the cramping, because after the enema, I felt so much better!
20:51:27	Dave	Who know what was in the Ivory swished in enema cans and bags, lol.
20:51:30	Vin	Agree Lisa, but you would expect the opposite
20:52:05	Lisa P.	Kristina, does cramping mean that we are getting rid of more toxins??
20:52:26	michael b	kristina, I was told not take Ortho mega called a blood thinner. I have seen the sand spoken of, i thought that was part of the 80 minerals?
20:53:03	kristina	I have written extensively about how cramping can be an important part of the cleansing process.
20:53:26	Vin	Which doc should I read?
20:53:35	Dave	Breathe thru the cramps?
20:53:41	kristina	There is a doctor in England who insists that cramping is essential to remove the toxins of modern living like asbestos.
20:53:53	Vin	OK
20:53:54	Lisa P.	Oh, by the way, I never have seen the salt at the bottom of the bag. I shake it up well before putting it in the bag.
20:54:13	kristina	Because there are no studies detailing what comes out of the colon with a colon cleanse, it is hard to say for certain.
20:54:21	Vin	Shaking or stirring gets rid of the residue
20:54:38	kristina	Certainly, most people do not prefer to cramp during their colon cleanse treatment.
20:55:04	kristina	I have written it up on my website. Send me an email and I will direct you to the written materials.
20:55:27	kristina	Next live chat: October 8th at 7 pm.
20:55:27	Vin	Thanks. Have to sign off. Good discussion.
20:55:46	kristina	I do so appreciate all of you who shared an hour of their evenings here.

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