| 20:02:26 | kristina | Hey Dave. How are you? |
| 20:04:37 | Dave |
pretty good. I got bitten by a deer tick. on antibiotic along with blood thinner for heart. tricky combo. |
| 20:04:42 | kristina | Hey folks, welcome! Go ahead and let's get started with what's on your minds tonight. |
| 20:04:55 | kristina | I'd say, Dave. How are you feeling? |
| 20:05:21 | kristina |
When did you get bitten by a deer tick? How did you find it? Where? |
| 20:06:00 | Dave | Fine, just have to watch what I eat so doesn't affect the balance. |
| 20:07:01 | tomiowa | good evening from the northwoods of Wisconsin |
| 20:07:03 | kristina | did anyone have a difficult time entering the chat room today? |
| 20:07:14 | clydee | no |
| 20:07:21 | kristina | Good evening! |
| 20:07:26 | tomiowa | I got kicked out the first time but tried again with no problem |
| 20:07:47 | kristina |
Dave, how did you know you were bitten by a deer tick? |
| 20:07:53 | clydee |
evening Kristina: received my order today. |
| 20:09:10 | tomiowa | last month I got dropped and could not sign back in. It said my login was already in use. |
| 20:09:25 | kristina |
Lyme Disease, in the United States, may be affecting millions of people. Some believe that Lyme Disease is the underlying causative agent of many chronic health conditions, including but not limited to: allergies, heart arrhythmias, arthritis (both osteo and rheumatoid), ADD, auto-immune disorders, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, depression, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's disease, macular degeneration, sensory or motor radiculoneuropathies (i.e., clumsiness in the hands or feet and/or burning, tingling or numbness), Alzheimer's Disease, ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease), Bell's palsy, irritable bowel syndrome and gastrointestinal distress, lupus, polymyalgia rheumatica (a more severe form of fibromyalgia), sleep disorders, reflex sympathetic dystrophy, brain fog, memory loss, joint pain/swelling/stiffness, lack of coordination, unexplained chills and fevers, recurrent infections, poor concentration, tremors, shortness of breath, anxiety or panic attacks, heart palpitations, weight changes (loss or gain), sore throats, loss of appetite, muscle pain or cramps, obsessive compulsive disorders, headaches/migraines, light sensitivity, trigeminal neuralgia, unexplained hair loss, and visual changes. |
| 20:09:50 | kristina | Great, Clydee! Anything specific you want to say about that? What did you receive? |
| 20:10:31 | Dave |
Re tick, i volunteer at a park, but largely inside, so a visitor must have been a carrier. Swelling in upper leg and the critter visible. Dermatologist extracted it. Want some of our spare deer? We have many. many! |
| 20:10:37 | kristina |
a recent study demonstrated the efficacy of Cat's Claw (Unicaria tomentosa) in destroying the Lyme organism. In fact, in the study, the control group of 14 patients all took antibiotics and only 3 improved slightly, 3 got worse and the remainder had no change in their clinical condition. The experimental group was treated with Cat's Claw and 85% of them were negative for the Lyme organism after 6 months and all the patients experienced a dramatic improvement in their clinical condition. (Cowden, WE, MD, et al., "Lyme Disease: Nutraceutical Breakthrough Using TOA-Free Cat's Claw", Focus, Feb '04, pp.3,4) In utilizing Cat's Claw, it is extremely important that the quality and purity of the product be assured. This herb occurs naturally in 2 forms: the more common TOA form and the rarer POA form. For those of you with a chemical bent, TOA stands for tetracyclic oxindole alkaloid and POA for pentacyclic oxindole alkaloid. Only the POA form is effective in stimulating the immunity which destroys the organism. As little as 1% TOA can cause a 30% reduction in the immune system modulating properties that POAs provide. Unfortunately some commercially available products contain as much as 80% TOAs. (Ibid, p. 3) The Medi-Herb Cat's Claw that we use at the RFHC is 1.5% to 2.0% POAs, the highest concentration available, and is TOA free. Therefore, the amount needed is less, making it much more affordable than other POA products on the market. We did a cost study and determined that using Medi-Herb Cat's Claw was very cost effective. ($60 for a month's supply vs. $325 for a month's supply from the other retailer.) |
| 20:10:56 | kristina |
No thanks! |
| 20:12:09 | clydee |
I ordered the air pump pillows and castile soap and the catheter with the retention bulb. |
| 20:12:11 | kristina | LYME DISEASE SYMPTOMS: |
| 20:12:20 | kristina | General/Constitutional Symptoms: achiness (generalized), chills, fatigue/malaise/lethargy, fever, swollen glands, stiffness, sweating, thirst |
| 20:12:33 | kristina | Head/Neck/Face: Bell's palsy (uni or bilateral), Facial/Oralfacial/Dental pain; headache, hoarseness, jaw pain, stiffness or TMJ disorder, muscle spasm (facial), neck pain, stiffness or pressure, numbness/tingling (facial), sore throat, swelling (facial), swallowing difficulty, twitching of facial or other muscles, vocal paralysis |
| 20:12:57 | kristina |
Have you tried the catheter yet? |
| 20:13:06 | kristina | Ears/Hearing: deafness/hearing loss, hypersensitivity to sound (hyperacusis), Meniere's disease, pain in ears, ringing in ears (tinnitus) |
| 20:13:12 | clydee |
No, will use it Friday. |
| 20:13:13 | kristina | Eyes/Vision: blindness, choroiditis, conjunctivitis, drooping eyelid, double vision (diplopia) or blurry vision, endophthalmitis, floaters, foreign body sensation (keratitis), Holmes-Adie syndrome (tonic pupil and areflexia), Horner's syndrome, nystagmus, oculomotor weakness, optic neuritis, optic neuropathy, pain in eyes, photophobia, retinal vasculitis, scleritis (posterior), swelling around the eyes, uveitis, decreased visual acuity |
| 20:13:30 | kristina | Digestive & Excretory Systems: abdominal pain, abdominal distention, wall weakness, abdominal paralysis, anorexia, diarrhea, kidney failure, nausea, splenitis, urinary problems (irritable bladder, trouble starting and stopping, frequent urination, voiding dysfunction), vomiting, weight loss/gain |
| 20:14:00 | clydee | I have heard a lot about Lyme here in Texas, but never had any idea so many things are/can be attibuted to Lyme. |
| 20:14:05 | tomiowa |
They're reporting bad ticks in Wisconsin, but so far we've been OK and hope to keep it that way. My home state of Arkansas knows how to grow them as well. |
| 20:14:20 | kristina |
There are so many more symptoms, but let's go on to treatment: |
| 20:14:23 | kristina |
High protein, high fat, low carb diet with vegetables (modified elimination diet). Avoid artificial sweeteners. Drink lots of pure water. Quality essential fatty acids are critical. |
| 20:14:32 | kristina |
Probiotics to maintain normal bowel flora. |
| 20:14:57 | kristina | Gall bladder flushes (use hot lemon tea to maintain gall bladder function) and a beet supplement such as AF BetaFood. |
| 20:15:43 | Debbie | hi everyone |
| 20:15:47 | kristina |
Daily colon cleanse using our Core Restore Kit |
| 20:16:00 | clydee | What if a person does not have a gall bladder? |
| 20:16:03 | kristina | Hi Debbie! |
| 20:16:17 | kristina | Good question. |
| 20:16:46 | clydee | Would a liver cleanse be of benefit? |
| 20:16:55 | tomiowa | have really liked the new longer colon tube |
| 20:17:13 | clydee |
The 60"? |
| 20:17:30 | Debbie | does colon cleansing help down to the cellular level by helping purify the blood? |
| 20:17:37 | tomiowa |
yes the 60" in 32fr |
| 20:17:51 | kristina | You still need to help the body prevent accumulation of fat in the liver. |
| 20:17:58 | Debbie |
How? |
| 20:17:59 | kristina |
For this, we use bile salts. |
| 20:18:11 | Debbie | like celtic salt |
| 20:18:58 | kristina |
No, we work with Cholacol, which contains Collinsonia root and purified bovine bile salts. |
| 20:19:17 | Debbie |
is this put into the colonic or coffee enema? |
| 20:19:19 | tomiowa |
Also started using my new 1-gallon enema bucket since last month. works really well and easy to clean up. |
| 20:20:16 | kristina |
You also want to use other liptrophic agents like beets because they have the lipotrophic agent betaine. Vitamin A also has an important effect on lipid metabolism. |
| 20:20:29 | Debbie |
I was just told I have sclerdoma. |
| 20:20:58 | kristina | Glad to hear, tomiowa! I find those 4 quart stainless steel enema buckets to be a dream to work with to cleanse the colon. |
| 20:21:00 | tomiowa |
have you ever heard of lymphadema? |
| 20:21:11 | Dave | Does the gallon bucket's weight require IV pole? |
| 20:21:21 | kristina |
stainless steel enema buckets |
| 20:21:45 | tomiowa |
no pole - just either hang from its bail or set on shelf if there is one |
| 20:22:15 | kristina |
It can be hung or set somewhere. The enema bucket isn't much heavier than any of our 4 quart enema bags, so generally no, but I don't know your personal set-up. |
| 20:22:57 | Dave | Just like the standard 2-qt enema can? |
| 20:23:32 | kristina | Yes, I have heard of lymphadema. Do you have lymphatic obstruction? |
| 20:23:36 | tomiowa |
It drains out very well with the new buckets. Drain tap is lower than the 2 qt. I have both. My sister was told that was her problem with her lower leg swelling issues. |
| 20:24:43 | kristina | How severe is her situation? What does she eat? How much does she move? |
| 20:24:55 | tomiowa |
They tell it's in our genes and others in family could have it. I currently don't think I have any issues with it. |
| 20:25:39 | clydee | Does she sit for long periods of time? |
| 20:25:46 | tomiowa |
She has had times her legs almost double in size. She's a teacher and does not move around large amounts because her knees are bad. |
| 20:25:58 | kristina |
The spleen, an organ in the lymphatic system, is usually underfunctioning. |
| 20:26:23 | kristina |
For this, we recommend a dessicated spleen from bovine and ovine sources. |
| 20:26:49 | Debbie |
what if someone doesn't have a spleen? what can they do? |
| 20:26:52 | tomiowa | explain that one |
| 20:27:28 | michael b |
a most splendid evening to everyone here at this chat. i'm enjoying all of this chat. |
| 20:28:08 | tomiowa |
how do you dessicate a spleen? |
| 20:28:12 | kristina |
Once you have had a splenectomy, you will be more prone to infections and your body will not fight them as easily. |
| 20:28:20 | Debbie |
thanks, but I am still wondering if there is anything to help with scleroderma... |
| 20:29:12 | kristina | Absolutely! |
| 20:29:36 | Debbie |
Like when I feel like I am going to die |
| 20:29:45 | clydee |
Debbie, I have information that may help with the scleroderma. Let me check in my library. |
| 20:29:58 | kristina |
Scleroderma is a chronic autoimmune disease, so we first work on stopping the body from recognizing itself as a problem, at all levels! |
| 20:30:14 | Debbie |
How? HELP!! |
| 20:31:25 | kristina |
We need to boost immune function with herbs. If you were working with me, I would explore using large quantities of echinacea, probiotics, herbal adaptogens, and herbal tonics. |
| 20:32:01 | Debbie | I kind of am but I will call you and continue with your suggestions. |
| 20:32:09 | kristina | Debbie, can you talk more about the details? How long has this been going on? Exactly what are your symptoms? |
| 20:32:37 | kristina |
Do you have limited systemic sclerosis/scleroderma or diffuse systemic sclerosis/scleroderma? |
| 20:32:38 | Debbie | 15 years, severe fatigue and pain |
| 20:33:19 | Debbie |
I don't know the difference. I have been in shock since I found out on Friday. |
| 20:33:33 | clydee | The book for reference is A Physician's Guide to Natural Health Products. By James A. Howenstine, MD. ISBN 978-0--9705684-9-6 |
| 20:33:45 | kristina | Well, first of all, thanks for keeping up the fight. I can only imagine how hard this process has been and continues to be for you. A huge ouch! I hope you are finding lots of opportunities to cry and rage. |
| 20:34:28 | Debbie |
None. I stay in my room and hide so no one sees me. I look too gloomy to be around people. |
| 20:35:21 | kristina | Sorry. |
| 20:35:23 | Debbie |
Thanks Clydee. |
| 20:35:23 | clydee |
The product is Sterinol - The Immune System Cure - Prentice Hall 1999. |
| 20:35:38 | kristina | Gotu kola (Centella asiatica ) is a member of the Apiaceae carrot family and another herb we may or may not use. It is also called pennywort, marsh penny, water pennywort, and sheep rot. |
| 20:36:24 | Debbie |
what is it used for: |
| 20:36:49 | kristina |
Sterinol: Product Description - Balances the Body's Immune System. For optimum health, your body relies on a properly functioning immune system. Two naturally-ocurring plant compounds, sterols and sterolins, have been found to provide significant immune-regulating benefits. Even though they are widely distributed in fruits and vegetables, few people consume sufficient quantities of these foods to achieve maximum benifits. Exciting new clinical research published by leading immunologist, Prof. P. Bouic, Ph.D, demonstrates that supplementation with the patented combination of sterols and sterolins found in Moducare Sterinol can play an important role in optimizing your body's immune function. |
| 20:37:32 | kristina |
The herbs contain the sterols and the sterolins, along with a whole host of other beneficial substances |
| 20:37:38 | Debbie |
is this an obtainable item? |
| 20:37:53 | clydee |
The correct spelling is "scleroderma." |
| 20:38:26 | Debbie | thanks. I get very crossed with talking and spelling when I am tired |
| 20:38:36 | kristina | I am not recommending it as I don't think you will find it to be a cure-all. However, using a more wholistic approach can offer you a complete recovery. |
| 20:39:00 | Debbie | May I call you tomorrow? |
| 20:40:06 | kristina | Sterols are an important class of organic molecules. They occur naturally in plants, animals, and fungi, with the most familiar type of animal sterol being cholesterol. (one reason people's bodies tend to raise the cholesterol levels.) |
| 20:41:06 | Debbie | Our levels rise to protect us?? |
| 20:41:25 | kristina |
Yes. Please do call the office. The office is closing next week for staff vacations; the website and all the products are still available so we are pretty swamped right now, but if you call in the morning to set up an appointment and/or to order some product, I will make sure we fit you in. Just let DeeDee know that I told you this. |
| 20:41:35 | kristina | yes |
| 20:42:00 | kristina | just fine that you get crossed. |
| 20:42:23 | clydee |
On page 239 it states, "Recovery merits a trail in scleroderma as we are aware of a patient who developed significant improvement over an 18 month trial of Recovery. It is from a Canadian company, Biomedica Laboratories, Inc. |
| 20:42:42 | kristina | Sterols of plants are called phytosterols and sterols of animals are called zoosterols. Important zoosterols are cholesterol and some steroid hormones; notable phytosterols include campesterol, sitosterol, and stigmasterol. Ergosterol is a sterol present in the cell membrane of fungi, where it serves a role similar to cholesterol in animal cells. |
| 20:43:53 | kristina | I continually have found, through the years, that to extract one type of molecule from a plant or animal to use in therapeutic dosages is never as effective as using the whole plant or eating the meat of animals. I do agree sterols and sterolins are highly therapeutic. |
| 20:44:46 | Debbie | I will call with this issue tomorrow am and hopefully will be able to have some protocol set up. |
| 20:45:08 | kristina | Recovery time will likely be quicker using the whole plant. |
| 20:45:31 | kristina | Okay, any other threads tonight, not to stop this thread, of course!? |
| 20:45:47 | clydee |
Recovery is also called Nutracol and is derived from green tea and grapes. It reduces the breakdown of collagen fibers and neutralizes free radicals.... |
| 20:47:30 | kristina |
I am going to list this doctor's suggested treatments for Lyme Disease to give folks a chance to see just what sort of commitment it can take to heal the body sometimes: |
| 20:47:40 | kristina | TREATMENT CONSIDERATIONS 1. Kill the bugs a. May include long-term antibiotic therapy b. May include traditional Chinese medicine c. May include long-term Western herbal therapy (Cat's Claw, Wormwood, Echinacea Premium and Sarsaparilla) d. Homeopathy e. Orthomolecular nutrition f. Heat treatment to increase cellular activity (diathermy, spa, sauna) g. May include electromagnetic therapies, such as Rife machines 2. Open the pathways of elimination to deal with aggravation of the die-off of organisms, or Herxheimer reaction a. Lymph massage b. Exercise to increase lymph movement c. Skin brushing d. Chi gong, yoga, etc e. High protein, high fat, low carb diet with vegetables (modified elimination diet). Avoid artificial sweeteners. Drink lots of pure water. Quality essential fatty acids are critical. f. Maintain alkalinity via supplements or bicarbonate. Supplements include buffered Vitamin C to bowel tolerance, green drink, Chlorophyll Perles (Standard Process). See Alkaline Broth recipe, attached. 3. Drain the lymph, liver and gall bladder and clear the colon to clear the body of TNF alpha and neurotoxins, along with heavy metals a. Probiotics to maintain normal bowel flora b. Gall bladder flushes (use hot lemon tea to maintain gall bladder function) c. Daily doses of colon cleanse (psyllium with betonite clay) d. Coffee enemas (I personally do not recommend) 4. Circulate the blood and make it less viscous a. Enzyme therapy to reduce rouleau formation b. Trace Minerals concentrate with a couple grains of high quality cayenne to enhance circulation to extremities. The warming herb helps balance the cold effect of Cat's Claw. c. Ginko biloba to open capillary beds 5. Regulate the immune system to target the organisms and lower the inflammatory responses, keep the body alkaline a. Chlorophyll extract from green leafy vegetables b. A green drink or Alkaline Broth 6. Maintain body temperature at 98.6ºF a. Support thyroid function, as needed (Thyroid Complex/Medi-Herb) 7. Eliminate stressors |
| 20:48:26 | kristina |
FYI - we at the Optimal Health Center are practiced at most of these tools. |
| 20:48:58 | kristina | Debbie, you could call right after this chat is over, if you wish. 608-242-0200. |
| 20:49:15 | Debbie |
Thank you - I will! |
| 20:49:56 | michael b |
to my understanding, the spleen is important to living. for me with my petty problems, it's great to see help available, if only online. |
| 20:50:30 | emaples |
Kristina, sorry I have been so slow in joining the chat group but due to farming commiting it has been a fast spring and is still going. I play golf every morning so will join when I can. |
| 20:51:30 | kristina | Joining us for any time for any length is always great. |
| 20:51:31 | Dave |
Fortunately, my critter seems not to have been a Lyme carrier. No tell-tale "target" etc. on the wound. |
| 20:52:12 | kristina |
Next live chat will be canceled (June 23rd at 12 noon) as I will just be returning from Colorado. |
| 20:52:16 | clydee | For any immune disorder these four may help. Selenium improves immune function, systeine improves glutathione levels, glutamine restores muscle mass, and tryptophane is an essential amino acid. |
| 20:52:47 | kristina |
So, our next live chat will be at 7pm on July 14th. I hope to see many of you there! Invite your friends, facebook buddies, family! |
| 20:53:08 | kristina | Great, Dave! |
| 20:53:19 | kristina | Keep taking care of that lovely self of yours! |
| 20:53:22 | clydee | I have had chronic dermatitis and it is now clearing up and my skin has improved greatly. |
| 20:53:32 | kristina | excellent |
| 20:53:41 | emaples | I will try to be there unless the hay takes over the evenings. |
| 20:54:00 | kristina | Unless anyone else has any comments or questions, I am going to close the chat. I have a lot to do yet tonight. |
| 20:54:14 | Debbie | thank you |
| 20:54:14 | michael b |
my last petty item - my computer died, but that is now fixed. that is why i made the chat. |
| 20:54:22 | clydee |
Great evening. Thank you. |
| 20:54:30 | emaples | Good night and have a good day tomorrow |
| 20:54:47 | kristina | thank you |
| 20:55:10 | kristina | Thanks much, Michael. I always enjoy having you around! |
| 20:56:45 | michael b |
take care of your selves. i enjoy reading the chat as much as joining in. |
| 20:57:40 | michael b |
i hope rayna is also well. |
| 20:59:17 | michael b |
and maybe there is hope for my diction. bye now. |
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